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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies and we have a very special episode

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to get you ready for the 2021

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international ufo congress which is

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going completely virtual this year we're

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going to talk all about the speakers the

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panels and everything they have going on

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over there at the iufoc

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so with us today is the president of the

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congress karen broad and the master

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ceremony alejandro rojas so without

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further ado let's bring him in

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guys welcome to somewhere in the skies

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hello thanks for

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having us good to be back

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of course of course i i wish i wish wish

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wish this thing was in person but like

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most conferences i completely understand

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why this is virtual but i can't lie i do

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miss coming to volunteer for the

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congress we miss you too

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we're gonna really miss being in person

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especially because this is the second

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one in a row that we have to do this but

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hopefully next year we can uh i'll be

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back together again and this whole

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nightmare of covid will be gone

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hopefully i know and hey look this is

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this is the way a lot of things are

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going

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nowadays conferences school um you know

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i even read somewhere earlier that say

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goodbye to snow days i remember growing

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up on the east coast growing up you know

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right and you have that

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that magical snow day where you me

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growing up in colorado snow days were

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the best weren't they and it was like

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god was on your side that day but now

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now they'll just do it virtually you

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but um let's not waste time guys let's

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get into

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what is going to be going on at the

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congress this year but uh before we get

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to the speakers and and everything like

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that karen would you mind sort of

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running us through how do you do this

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how does one go from such a big you know

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in-person conference to to something

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the first time trying it so what is in

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store for us this year for the virtual

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conference all right well i'll let you

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know cool we're going to use a platform

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called hoover and they've been winning a

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lot of awards because they're doing tons

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of different virtual conferences for you

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corporations and whatnot so that's a

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really uh dependable and um

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you know jam-packed app that you can do

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a lot of things one of the things you

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attendees so and if an attendee chooses

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to they can upload their picture put

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information about them and then

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everybody can see who's there and um you

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can also chat with people you can

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introduce yourself and talk you can say

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like in a zoom room just like this so

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wednesday thursday friday saturday

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sunday all five days of lectures and

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what you're going to do in about a week

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you're going to a week before the

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conference so that's coming up the

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conference is just two weeks away now uh

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you're going to get an email and the app

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because you won't be able to access the

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conference unless you buy a ticket and

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put the invite code in so i'm going to

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share my screen so you kind of see what

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say i know um i loved using this thing

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year i i got to like interact with the

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people while the talks are going on it

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is a really great program and i've done

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past year and all i could say is um

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it it was not as smooth as an experience

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have yeah well the app works great it's

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really reliable it's pretty simple uh

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and they can't always figure everything

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out but we really didn't have a problem

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with people figuring this out and it

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just went so smoothly last year it

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email i post um tutorials on there

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there's guides and stuff that even

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before the conference you can go and

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get the invite code and you go in you

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tablet or your phone um and you can hook

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up your computer to your television if

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you can get someone to do that if you

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television so this would be the main

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um and our cocktail party and give out

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schedule and see what's going on there

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here when you you go the attendees

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tab you can see that they can ask me

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virtual meetups uh

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send messages to each other and you can

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during the conference and there's kind

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photo contest was so much fun yeah we

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have a contest that like uh

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and then the leaderboard there's a bunch

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of different things you can go do like

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um go check out the exhibitors there's

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also a virtual hall let me put that up

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there here's the drawer the exhibitor

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hall so right now here's my booth here

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and here's site 251

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so you can go in and

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here's some of the stuff that we sell

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here exactly yeah you can go and contact

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the uh vendors whichever way they want

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to be contacted they might even they're

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booth so you could come to this and

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so there's a lot of fun things that you

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like you know the first or second talk

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let's jump into who we have this year

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you guys have quite a lineup

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so far um so yeah karen if you want you

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can pull up the the website there um and

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just start let's dive right in with um

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mr uh ben hansen returning for the

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uptick time to the international ufo

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congress so what's been getting talking

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about this year alejandro do you want to

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i don't think he actually knows yeah i'm

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sorry at least

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it is good you start with ben in that

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he's one of where we always we don't

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usually have the speakers twice

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you know we don't have them twice a year

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but ben usually comes and shows his uh

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his

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night vision goggles every year

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so he's always been there as part of the

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conference and that so it's great to

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have him every year i meant um that

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alejandro doesn't know but i know

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oh yeah i don't know what ben's talking

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about is actually going to be doing a

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panel with mark antonio and they're

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going to talk about their new show that

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just came out on discovery plus oh

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awesome okay the ufo witness right

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is that yeah

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yeah who knows nowadays

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uh yeah that the newest one is already a

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ufo witness show

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i don't know but i guess you'll have to

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why she's the president

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i love that um well okay so here's the

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one i'm really excited about and um wow

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better time avi loeb

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um you know

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the guy who has become pretty

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pretty big in the mainstream media in

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the past year or so with his new book

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extraterrestrial um and his new project

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which i'm sure he'll he'll be talking

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about so yeah do you guys want to give

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us a little information about what avi

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loeb will be doing with you guys

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uh go ahead alejandro you never freedom

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okay yeah avi loeb is

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you know what's fun about avilope is of

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course he made headlines and has been

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making headlines because you know he's a

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harvard uh astronomer

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and he

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came out

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you know very strongly saying

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hey

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not only is this

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object this thing that uh came through

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the solar system you know first

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interstellar object weird it's probably

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aliens and uh of course a lot of people

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came down on him a lot of his colleagues

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and scientists but he really stuck to

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his gun saying no

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it's not just possible it's probable i

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mean he's really convinced this is a

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possibility

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that's super exciting because i what i

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think has been exciting is that even the

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first paper that came out about omua mua

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speculated that this object could be

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extraterrestrial that alone i think is

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really exciting that people astronomy

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students the people doing these research

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papers are feeling comfortable enough to

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make that suggestion but now to have

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this harvard astronomer one of the

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people in the leadership position

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at harvard coming out and very strongly

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supporting the idea

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it's really exciting i think some of the

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things that he talks about

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those of us who have been in this field

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and who have read books from scientists

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you know like peter sturrock or dr j

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allen heineck

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he's hitting on a lot of the same themes

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which is interesting because he hasn't

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read these books but he's having the

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same experience as they are and people

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having their clothes their minds closed

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and really when it comes to science

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that's not good science you need to be

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open to possibilities until you can

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disprove them so all of that is really

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exciting at the beginning of the media

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cycle when he came out he was kind of

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hesitant to talk about ufos i think and

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and

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kind of uh

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get attached with that kind of idea

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but luckily i got to talk to him you

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know i had problems getting to him

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earlier on more towards the end of that

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media cycle when he was really open to

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the idea now he's really open to working

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with others now he's you know putting

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forward that

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which has been growing the idea of

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techno signatures so we've talked about

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xeno archaeology we've had people come

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to talk to the conference about that

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sort of thing the idea of looking for

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potential artifacts from you know

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extraterrestrial civilizations on other

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planets or even here but now this is

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really gaining momentum and they're

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using the term techno signatures and

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that's something that he's really

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tackled to start a group to look into

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and that's what he's going to talk more

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about so

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really exciting times and to have this

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guy coming to a ufo conference is pretty

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incredible i think it's huge it really

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is and i'm so happy to see him finally

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doing that we need these rebels in the

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scientific community to you know show

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the issue with mainstream science and

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you know how they're not willing to

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change their ways and uh again i think

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that's perfect yeah until

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the government starts allowing

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universities

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allowing them to study this as a science

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we're not going to go anywhere so the

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universities themselves have to be open

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to it and the government has to start

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getting grants because this is a

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legitimate science there's something

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happening and we're never going to

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figure it out just by trying to guess i

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mean we have to have our best people

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working on it and that's the people who

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you know the scholars the people the

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scientists so

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um

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this is you know paving the way and i

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think you know it has i think harvard

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actually has

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classes now that you can study

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you know

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whatever these things are so yeah and

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we're hearing that more and more in the

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collegiate level of you know courses

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being taught on ufos whether it's from a

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historical context or scientific or

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real archaeological uh archaeological

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with like brian

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michael masters exactly you know

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thought like maybe these are just us and

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we'd learn how to time travel and they

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come back to check on us and

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my favorite theory karen that is my

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favorite theory i i i hope more people

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yeah yeah oh well

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talking about phds uh you have beverly

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rubick

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going to be talking as well about um

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from the president she's the president

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of the institute for frontier science uh

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the human energy field

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um do either of you want to comment on

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on uh dr rubrick and what she's going to

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be talking about during the uh the

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conference

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yeah i'll tell you a little bit about it

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um she does do

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research in to the human energy field

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and

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um

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sorry

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no no no take your

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time her phd from berkeley she's a

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really smart person and she's just

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trying to see like you know the energy

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fields and people are more affected by

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things than we know

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and one of the things unfortunately that

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we were gonna she was gonna try to do is

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on at the conference she was going to um

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do this with experiencers just to see if

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she could gather any data that

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would um you know put anything together

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that would show a difference in the

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energy fields of these people but

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that being said um she is you know

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working on radiation to see how that

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affects us and um she's just really

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trying to

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find out how our bodies and our energy

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fields are affected by the different

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things in the atmosphere and

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in you know hopes of you know

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progressing that science along and

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um

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having it interact with et's

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we'll see we'll see yeah i'm looking

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forward to that one for sure um well

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let's move to kind of one of the big

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names again uh someone who you guys just

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saw or alejandra i believe you just saw

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speak recently uh is brian bender from

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politico he's gonna be doing a special

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presentation with you guys as well would

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you mind going through this one a little

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bit tease us yeah i mean

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what's really exciting is

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to me

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um

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is that you know for me it's been all

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about the mainstream bringing this

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information to mainstream media getting

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mainstream buy-in that this is a legit

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topic and it's really exciting that that

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has happened finally after all of these

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years and brian bender is an example of

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what the mainstream the power of a

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mainstream for instance with him

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journalists

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he's already embedded in washington dc

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he already goes to people to talk about

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technologies whether it's defense or

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space technologies he's got people that

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are at washington dc

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people at all the big corporations so

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when a topic like this comes around he's

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a perfect type of person to be able to

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go and say hey what do you think of this

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stuff what do you think of that stuff

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and he's been able to by doing that

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break a lot of really important stories

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about politicians getting briefed

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you know the various politicians getting

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comments from politicians uh also being

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able to talk to other leadership

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in the defense industry

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uh you know i had mentioned and we

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actually are going to post for free on

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the the ufo congress website this week

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that lecture that he gave because he

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kind of talked about his experience

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getting into this and talking to all of

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these type of people and what they told

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him uh and one of the things i asked him

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about was really he was one of the first

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when the new york times article came out

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in 2017 that kind of broke the story and

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got everybody scratching their heads he

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was the first to actually ask

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politicians these are politicians who

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were associated with the space council

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so you know coming up with space policy

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for the united states what do you think

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of this and surprisingly a lot of them

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said we think a lot of it this is really

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interesting we should be looking into

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uaps we should be trying to figure out

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what these things are and so now people

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are feeling more empowered to be able to

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do that and so that's what's really

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exciting about brian he'll be

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interviewing wife symington who is the

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governor of uh

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arizona during the phoenix lights who

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first kind of poopooed and made fun of

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the whole thing but years later thanks

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to james fox james fox took a bunch of

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witness uh testimony and said hey listen

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to what the witnesses want to say to you

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fife timing simonton got teary eyed and

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said well you know what i gotta admit i

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saw that thing too and i regret what i

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said and here's what i saw and i don't

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think that that thing is from this

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planet he said as someone who was in the

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air force for many years i don't think

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what i saw is of this world

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so that's going to be amazing to have

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both of these very mainstream people you

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know talking about this topic right here

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at this table

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yeah for right here sitting right here

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yeah that's awesome

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i love that karen um well let's move to

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another one of the the women that's

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gonna be speaking at the event and

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that's uh katie grabowski now this is

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pretty interesting we all know about

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skinwalker ranch um you know whether you

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watch the history channel television

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show or you've read the book by george

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knapp um such a mysterious place out in

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utah but

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we're now learning that decades prior

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there was a ranch that is just as

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mysterious in colorado

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and i believe that's what uh katie's

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going to be talking about um so yes

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either one of you want to tease us a

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little bit about what katie's going to

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be talking about i'd love to hear about

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this

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um well i just know that she

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uh is does a lot of research with move

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on and interviewing experiencers and

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whatnot in colorado um

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and she holds a bachelor of science

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degree so she is science oriented um

555
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other than that i haven't i'm looking

556
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:47,760
forward to hearing her too because i

557
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:49,760
haven't even heard her but um i heard

558
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:52,000
about her i heard she was incredible the

559
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:53,520
information she has to share is very

560
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,640
interesting

561
00:20:58,630 --> 00:20:56,240
so that's why i wanted to have her a

562
00:21:00,549 --> 00:20:58,640
part of this conference because um from

563
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:00,559
what i hear she's got a lot of great

564
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,840
stuff to share i'm sure yeah colorado

565
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,400
has a lot of secrets very deep in those

566
00:21:10,390 --> 00:21:08,240
mountains so i'm sure she'll have some

567
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,400
cool stuff to talk about well let's talk

568
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:13,360
about two other guys who are known to uh

569
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,760
look into some really weird stuff and

570
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:17,039
that is the

571
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:20,080
paranormal rangers we've got let me make

572
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:21,520
sure i get their names right jonathan

573
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:25,600
dover and stanley milford um yeah these

574
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:28,960
guys are like heroes of mine out there

575
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,760
you know not only fighting crime but

576
00:21:35,750 --> 00:21:33,440
fighting the paranormal and

577
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,760
investigating so yeah if either one of

578
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:37,039
you want to hop in tell us a little

579
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,640
about what they'll be talking about i

580
00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:40,640
just want to

581
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,240
put in here that they're actually going

582
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:44,880
to be here also right here in person so

583
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:46,640
that'll be good they get to sit here and

584
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,200
talk to each other and with alejandro so

585
00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:50,960
i'll let alejandro take it from here

586
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,320
cool

587
00:21:55,669 --> 00:21:54,400
yeah we've just get updates from them i

588
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:55,679
mean uh

589
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:57,120
their start for those who don't know

590
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:00,240
they were navajo rangers who are akin to

591
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,200
federal police but in the navajo um um

592
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,880
you know

593
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,960
reservations yeah i couldn't think of

594
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:10,320
the word for a second

595
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,440
um

596
00:22:14,549 --> 00:22:13,039
and you know but what was different

597
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:14,559
about them is when they got calls about

598
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:16,400
paranormal things going on they rolled

599
00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,760
they got in their trucks they went out

600
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,240
and checked it out and they experienced

601
00:22:24,470 --> 00:22:22,559
a lot of paranormal themselves a lot of

602
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:24,480
you who are interested had heard have

603
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,000
heard a lot of their great stories if

604
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,000
you're not familiar then you want to

605
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,840
start hearing what they're talking about

606
00:22:33,430 --> 00:22:31,679
so yeah they've continued to do some

607
00:22:35,190 --> 00:22:33,440
investigations so they're going to talk

608
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,200
and i even had

609
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,720
a sighting with

610
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,760
them

611
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,159
you want to hear that story uh yeah if

612
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,159
you don't mind sharing

613
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:43,840
yeah so

614
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:47,600
we they came to talk at the arizona

615
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:50,240
phoenix mufon and you know when the

616
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:51,840
weather is good enough it's not too

617
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,320
crazy hot in arizona they'll we'll go

618
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,039
into a skywatch at night and uh stacey

619
00:23:00,070 --> 00:22:58,720
wright organizes that and we go out

620
00:23:01,029 --> 00:23:00,080
there and have fun

621
00:23:02,390 --> 00:23:01,039
and

622
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:02,400
one time you know they brought their

623
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:04,480
night vision goggles so we're sky

624
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:06,320
watching we're passing around the

625
00:23:10,549 --> 00:23:08,240
goggles i finally got my chance and i

626
00:23:13,270 --> 00:23:10,559
was looking up and i saw these

627
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,280
five lights that looked like they were

628
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,200
grouped together and they were all

629
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:18,080
slowly steadily moving in opposite

630
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:19,440
directions

631
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:22,000
uh which is like what the heck is that

632
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:23,440
you know i couldn't tell they seemed

633
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:25,760
real high up there i mean they moved

634
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,320
like satellites but you know grouped and

635
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,320
moving apart from each other so i was

636
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,919
like hey is anybody else seeing these

637
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:33,600
and sure enough john dober had the other

638
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,559
parent he was watching them also so that

639
00:23:39,690 --> 00:23:37,840
was really crazy that was one of the

640
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,700
wildest things i've seen

641
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,279
[Music]

642
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,440
apparently i was there too and i said

643
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:44,799
that i saw him but i have no

644
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,149
you know i need glasses so i'm pretty

645
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,760
sure i couldn't see that

646
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,000
it's probably just flirting with me

647
00:24:02,710 --> 00:24:00,640
then that could be it what can you say a

648
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:02,720
couple years before we started going out

649
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:09,269
uh i love it i love it i love it um

650
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:13,120
awesome well let's move to um oh here's

651
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,080
a good one mr lee spiegel if you don't

652
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,400
know who lee spiegel is you should if

653
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,559
you're into ufos and he's going to be

654
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:23,279
talking about one of my favorite moments

655
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:26,480
in ufo history um when it comes to

656
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:29,440
kind of the government but the u.n the

657
00:24:33,669 --> 00:24:32,080
first time the u.n got involved with you

658
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:33,679
the u.n so yeah karen would you mind

659
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,840
telling us a little about this one yeah

660
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:37,600
they were trying to get a bill passed to

661
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,720
investigate ufos in the u.n and

662
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:43,360
he managed to get um

663
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,760
help me out alejandro they they it

664
00:24:49,830 --> 00:24:47,279
eventually became they're trying to get

665
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:49,840
a resolution but they've got a decision

666
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:52,720
oh sir eric gary he was helping yeah and

667
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:55,279
what country was he again he was uh the

668
00:25:11,510 --> 00:24:57,760
prime minister of um

669
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,510
earlier lee had made an album where he

670
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,960
went around the country interviewing

671
00:25:19,110 --> 00:25:17,600
ufologists or you you follow this right

672
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:19,120
i always say it wrong

673
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:20,400
and

674
00:25:23,750 --> 00:25:22,400
had this on an album a record album all

675
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:23,760
these different interviews and he used

676
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:27,120
that to persuade people you know to

677
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:30,400
about this issue of ufos um but this

678
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,799
this footage was lost i mean

679
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,480
we didn't they didn't know where it was

680
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:36,880
and it turns out that lee started doing

681
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,600
or actually it was james fox's sister

682
00:25:43,190 --> 00:25:41,039
was doing some research and she said i

683
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,200
found the footage

684
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,840
but it was actually the footage of

685
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,760
a tv station and they tried to charge

686
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:49,840
lee for it well lee contacted the un and

687
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,200
said nope they don't have the rights to

688
00:25:55,029 --> 00:25:52,960
it we have the rights to it and we're

689
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,039
going to give them to you

690
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:57,600
lee has the right to or you know the

691
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:59,039
rights to use

692
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,960
this video and produce anything he wants

693
00:26:04,310 --> 00:26:02,640
to so for the first time he's going to

694
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,320
show clips of this footage and no one's

695
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:06,559
ever seen this before so uh yeah they

696
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:09,919
used a tiny bit in the james fox is his

697
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,880
latest uh documentary but there's

698
00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:14,240
hours of it

699
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,960
and lee's got it and you know we got it

700
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:18,799
because he was the one who it was his

701
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:21,520
idea and he organized the whole un

702
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,000
presentation and so now he's got this

703
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:26,400
amazing footage so it's going to be

704
00:26:30,310 --> 00:26:28,240
great to see it i mean like you said

705
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,320
ryan it's one of your favorite events

706
00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:32,159
it's one of my favorite events very few

707
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,400
people know about it even with all the

708
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,720
fervor on this topic really no

709
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,400
mainstream has really picked up this

710
00:26:42,630 --> 00:26:40,799
story to tell this story i hope that

711
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,640
happens at some point

712
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,120
but and uh not only is it an incredible

713
00:26:50,310 --> 00:26:47,679
thing lee spiegel by himself really made

714
00:26:52,789 --> 00:26:50,320
this all happen i mean it was his idea

715
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:52,799
he sold it to him and then enlisted the

716
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:55,360
help of valet and and heineken and

717
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:57,200
spielberg we've got a video on open

718
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:59,200
minds where he talks about how spielberg

719
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:01,840
even helped a little bit right making it

720
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:04,720
funny i i actually i watched the episode

721
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:07,120
of the x-files recently where they talk

722
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,799
about this u.n meeting with

723
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,440
the ambassador of granada and i'm like

724
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,039
freaking out

725
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:16,559
like oh my god

726
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:18,960
yeah i turned to jane my girlfriend and

727
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,360
i was like jane lee spiegel

728
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,559
that what they're talking about right

729
00:27:27,510 --> 00:27:24,240
now

730
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,520
it was yeah we thought that was so great

731
00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,360
i sure hope he's seen it i'm sure he has

732
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:31,360
but oh that was the last season wasn't

733
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:34,640
it it was now i remember yeah

734
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,240
episode i think yeah yeah it was it was

735
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,559
it's so cool it's so cool it's crazy to

736
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:42,480
think that you know these people we've

737
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:44,480
known for years have

738
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:47,039
their work has been put into pop culture

739
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,559
you know again you look at people like

740
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,919
heineck who

741
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,760
ultimately became a part of close

742
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:53,520
encounters of the third kind and then

743
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:56,480
had a tv show about it it's just

744
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,840
it's amazing how many people um

745
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,440
whose lives have been touched by these

746
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:03,600
people you know and the the hard work

747
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,000
they've done and um that could be said

748
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,840
for a couple of the other people you

749
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:09,520
guys have let's let's group them

750
00:28:15,269 --> 00:28:12,960
together here we've got um uh we have

751
00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,279
part of me steve bassett and nick pope

752
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:17,200
who are also going to be talking about

753
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:20,960
um the government and disclosure as the

754
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:24,000
two are very apt to do um but i know

755
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,760
nick is going to be actually talking a

756
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,760
little bit more about um

757
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,000
what comes next you know we had this

758
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:32,880
pentagon ufo report come out and you

759
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,120
know whether you liked it or not it was

760
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,000
a big deal so um yeah if you don't mind

761
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:39,440
one of you guys um you want to talk a

762
00:28:43,269 --> 00:28:41,360
little about what nick and possibly

763
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:43,279
steven bassett will be talking about as

764
00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:44,720
well

765
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,720
yeah i could make just one quick comment

766
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,960
and then uh it's just that you know both

767
00:28:53,510 --> 00:28:51,120
of these guys deserve a lot of credit as

768
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:53,520
well in that you know a lot of what's

769
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:56,080
going on right now is is related to what

770
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,440
they've been working on for years of

771
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:00,399
course steve bassett uh in washington dc

772
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:03,039
lobbying to get information out and then

773
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:05,200
nick pope i think you know when it comes

774
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,200
to some of the government people that

775
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:10,320
have real government work uh experience

776
00:29:15,350 --> 00:29:13,520
like let's say doctor or john alexander

777
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,360
who was a colonel in the army looking

778
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:18,399
into this paranormal stuff or nick pope

779
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,080
nick pope guys has been right on the

780
00:29:23,990 --> 00:29:22,000
money the things that nick pope has

781
00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:24,000
talked about what is probably going on

782
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:25,760
in the government how they may do this

783
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:28,240
or that he's been right he's got great

784
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,200
experience and he was the louis lozando

785
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,279
he was our louis lozando for many many

786
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,279
years of course he came out of the

787
00:29:40,549 --> 00:29:37,120
british government so americans don't

788
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:40,559
get as excited um but that's what's

789
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,240
really important about having these guys

790
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,159
right now and and having nick talk about

791
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:46,000
what's next because he's

792
00:29:49,830 --> 00:29:48,000
got you know he's one of the most

793
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,840
educated on the topic to be able to

794
00:29:54,070 --> 00:29:51,520
discuss such things

795
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,080
yep absolutely and then you know steve

796
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:56,000
bassett obviously one of the most

797
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,240
passionate speakers out there on

798
00:30:02,230 --> 00:30:00,559
disclosure fighting the good fight as

799
00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:02,240
always i assume this is what he'll be

800
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:04,720
talking about yeah yeah good old steve

801
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,880
with his passionate speeches i'm looking

802
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:08,720
forward to another one so

803
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,720
yep it's just like having you know

804
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:13,679
leonard skinner play free bird for the 1

805
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:16,480
millionth time

806
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,640
he knows how to get your emotions going

807
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,799
and get the crowd on his side for sure

808
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:22,880
oh yeah he gets my blood pumping every

809
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:25,360
time um well let i guess let's move a

810
00:30:31,269 --> 00:30:29,200
little to um the more human side of of

811
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:31,279
the conference and that's the uh the

812
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:34,399
experiencers you know something i'm very

813
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:36,399
uh obviously

814
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,720
in tune with um that's basically my work

815
00:30:43,669 --> 00:30:41,039
is with experiencers and i interviewed

816
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:43,679
one of actually all three of the people

817
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,320
talking about experiencers uh in your

818
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:48,720
conference here but um nk crenda she's

819
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,960
kind of new on the scene yeah um a

820
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:53,600
younger person in the ufo field who i

821
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:55,120
again had the pleasure of interviewing

822
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,039
in my my most recent book and um really

823
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,919
kind of taking the torch up and working

824
00:31:06,710 --> 00:31:04,559
with these people so yeah do either of

825
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:06,720
you guys want to chat a little bit about

826
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,559
what yvonne smith nk cranda and um of

827
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:12,640
course kathleen martin will be speaking

828
00:31:18,870 --> 00:31:15,919
about sure yeah i mean we have yvonne

829
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:18,880
and uh kathleen and nk all work with

830
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
experiencers so they have that um you

831
00:31:24,630 --> 00:31:22,799
know more human side

832
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,640
reporting other people's experiences and

833
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,720
helping them through that trauma so it's

834
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:29,360
a lot of talk about how you know what

835
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,039
the experiences are feeling what they

836
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,600
report how this affects their life

837
00:31:37,509 --> 00:31:36,240
and you know ways of coping with this so

838
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:37,519
we're really happy to have them and we

839
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,440
also have a couple other experiences

840
00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:41,440
eric mitchell who also works with

841
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:42,880
experiencers

842
00:31:50,549 --> 00:31:46,799
matthew roberts and chris pittman was

843
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,559
a ufo i'm sorry a mufon investigator he

844
00:31:53,909 --> 00:31:52,399
and he'd been on ancient aliens he wrote

845
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,919
a book about the bridgewater triangle

846
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:55,840
well he kind of pulled back

847
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,480
out of the um

848
00:32:03,190 --> 00:32:00,240
out of the field for a while because he

849
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,200
himself was becoming an experiencer of

850
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:04,880
some really strange phenomena that kind

851
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,640
of scared him actually

852
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:08,320
so it was a

853
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:10,159
he was a little bit wary and hesitant

854
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,919
about coming back into the field but he

855
00:32:16,149 --> 00:32:14,480
agreed that he wanted to do it so

856
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:16,159
um he's going to share what his

857
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:18,000
experiences are going from an experience

858
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:19,039
an

859
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,039
i i happened but it did

860
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,120
i i applaud anyone who's willing to do

861
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:28,640
that because again the more you get into

862
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:31,840
this field the more uh you know

863
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,720
the more apt it is to happen you know in

864
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:36,799
some way shape or form i mean it kind of

865
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,679
just

866
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:39,279
bridges i mean it kind of proves that

867
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,279
there's some kind of bridge

868
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,919
between ufology and consciousness

869
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,600
we don't know what it is yet

870
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:47,279
but and and all these things kind of

871
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:49,279
overlap like the skinwalker ranch those

872
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:51,279
people were having weird paranormal

873
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,360
experiences even when they weren't there

874
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,679
so this thing can follow you and attach

875
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,799
and like

876
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:58,720
it's just you know hopefully having a

877
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:00,960
conference and having people together

878
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:03,039
maybe you know it kind of can put these

879
00:33:06,549 --> 00:33:04,320
things together

880
00:33:08,149 --> 00:33:06,559
um at least it can relate things to you

881
00:33:11,029 --> 00:33:08,159
know from one to the other and people

882
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:11,039
can start seeing it as one big phenomena

883
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,080
instead of

884
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:15,039
separate phenomena absolutely and um you

885
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:17,919
did mention matthew roberts this is a

886
00:33:23,110 --> 00:33:20,240
this is a get i mean this guy has just

887
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,120
recently come forward um and you know we

888
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,399
all know about

889
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:26,559
the people involved with the tic tac ufo

890
00:33:33,190 --> 00:33:29,279
event now um you know kevin day gary

891
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,200
voorhees um obviously david fravor but

892
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:35,919
you have the guy who was on the theodore

893
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:39,519
roosevelt during the gimbal event and

894
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,799
the go fast event so and i know that

895
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,360
wasn't it for him his story continued so

896
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,600
yeah are you excited about that one oh

897
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,919
yeah i mean like once he he investigated

898
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:51,600
it then things started happening to him

899
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,600
and he started having these conscious

900
00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:56,240
consciousness episodes um where he would

901
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,919
i'm not exactly sure

902
00:34:01,350 --> 00:33:59,600
what he experienced but

903
00:34:02,389 --> 00:34:01,360
it was a very strange experience and

904
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:02,399
he's

905
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,679
you know really wants to share it with

906
00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:05,679
us so we can understand it a little bit

907
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:06,880
because i mean it was something he was

908
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,599
completely you know was not expecting

909
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,919
yeah exactly and i know you know even

910
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,159
after being involved with those events

911
00:34:18,869 --> 00:34:16,399
he went on to work for the office of

912
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:18,879
naval intelligence which we all know

913
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,399
is like in charge of all the ufo stuff

914
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,480
going on right now i mean

915
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,679
maybe

916
00:34:29,990 --> 00:34:27,919
they know he's up there

917
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,000
maybe the message they wanted to send or

918
00:34:32,950 --> 00:34:31,520
whatever you know information they

919
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,960
wanted to

920
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,200
uh transmit maybe they're using him as

921
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,079
some kind of conduit yeah who knows

922
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,240
he's an interesting guy i i had the

923
00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,760
pleasure of speaking with him and some

924
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,000
of the stuff he said really really blew

925
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:46,240
my mind so i'm looking forward to that

926
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:48,639
um well let's talk about one of the most

927
00:34:53,669 --> 00:34:51,280
recent announcements you guys have made

928
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:53,679
he is all over the headlines here in

929
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:57,440
america and also in his homeland i would

930
00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:59,119
say of australia

931
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,640
and that's ross colpart um so yeah tell

932
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,839
us a little bit about ross and maybe um

933
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,960
about what he's going to be talking

934
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,040
about at the conference

935
00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:10,800
yeah well he's sort of a rock star back

936
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:12,400
in australia he's

937
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,119
produces films he's an author he's on

938
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:17,440
the 60-minute show there he does

939
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,640
different kind of

940
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:21,119
special broadcasts of different things

941
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,599
um and he just had a his new book is

942
00:35:28,390 --> 00:35:25,280
called in plain sight and it's going to

943
00:35:29,750 --> 00:35:28,400
be released next month um so we got him

944
00:35:31,510 --> 00:35:29,760
right at the right time before

945
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,520
everything breaks through

946
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,119
but uh he

947
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:35,359
went you know decided he wanted to do a

948
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,800
book after he did his film the ufo

949
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,000
i want to say it right this time

950
00:35:45,589 --> 00:35:43,440
phenomena phenomenon

951
00:35:47,349 --> 00:35:45,599
i messed it up the other day but um you

952
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:47,359
know he wanted to follow up with his

953
00:35:52,470 --> 00:35:50,000
book so he went and he um

954
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,480
interviewed witnesses experiencers

955
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,599
military supposedly um

956
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:57,760
intelligence people intelligence

957
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,560
anonymously so he's got a lot of uh

958
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,160
really neat and things

959
00:36:07,349 --> 00:36:04,240
interviews and from people that no one's

960
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,359
gotten so far so um it's sort of like

961
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:08,640
you know it's really neat to be able to

962
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:10,079
have someone in a different country in

963
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,520
these stories that we would no not we

964
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:13,440
wouldn't normally be able to get he's

965
00:36:16,870 --> 00:36:15,200
going to bring him to us

966
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:16,880
and he got some really

967
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,440
top secret stuff supposedly

968
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:21,440
yeah i know there's some stuff that he

969
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:23,440
hasn't really talked about in interviews

970
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,440
which i'm sure will

971
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,760
be you know sort of a special thing for

972
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,560
those attending the congress as well and

973
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,079
um off the record some of the things

974
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,720
he's told me were pretty um

975
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,040
pretty intense so i'm sure

976
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,560
you know your attendees are gonna get a

977
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,560
little piece of that at the conference

978
00:36:44,310 --> 00:36:42,240
as well and i know one of those people

979
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,320
he interviewed for his documentary and

980
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:45,599
book was

981
00:36:51,870 --> 00:36:49,680
the man of the decade it seems mr luis

982
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:51,880
elizondo

983
00:37:01,589 --> 00:36:58,310
hey guys ryan spreck here when i'm not

984
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,599
making podcasts i am listening to them

985
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:04,240
seriously i'm obsessed and if there's

986
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,359
one person and one show i turn to every

987
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:10,320
week to hear stories of the strange the

988
00:37:17,109 --> 00:37:13,760
weird and the unexplained it's of course

989
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,119
gotta be jim harold's campfire with over

990
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,240
500 episodes den of geek called jim

991
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,280
harold's campfire the best tool we have

992
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,000
currently in existence to hear real-life

993
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:28,880
scary stories from other human beings

994
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:32,400
since the actual campfire was invented

995
00:37:37,589 --> 00:37:35,119
the concept is pretty simple jim talks

996
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:37,599
to other regular folks and strange stuff

997
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:40,000
that's happened to them and yes that

998
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:43,280
includes ufos and uaps along with

999
00:37:49,030 --> 00:37:46,720
cryptids ghosts and true head scratching

1000
00:37:51,030 --> 00:37:49,040
mysteries one of my all-time favorite

1001
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:51,040
stories is one where a woman almost

1002
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,160
ended up being absorbed by a painting in

1003
00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:56,240
a mysterious bar that seemed like

1004
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,400
something straight out of the twilight

1005
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:00,720
zone or there's this story of a young

1006
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,960
man who encountered a spider-like

1007
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,599
creature with baby hands

1008
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,599
then there's the story of a woman in

1009
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:09,920
england who encountered what she thought

1010
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,640
was a banshee only to suffer a horrible

1011
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:15,520
tragedy only moments later

1012
00:38:21,190 --> 00:38:18,160
no not all of the stories in jim

1013
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,200
harold's campfire are horrifying some

1014
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:23,359
are actually pretty heartwarming like a

1015
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,079
visit from a past loved one or a

1016
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,800
peaceful near-death experience

1017
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:30,960
regardless there are true and

1018
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:33,920
fascinating stories told by ordinary

1019
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:36,480
people who've had extraordinary

1020
00:38:41,670 --> 00:38:38,079
experiences

1021
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,680
so pull up a virtual log get cozy and

1022
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,480
tune in to jim harold's campfire

1023
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,240
available on apple podcasts spotify or

1024
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:50,079
wherever you listen to someone in the

1025
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:57,109
[Music]

1026
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,599
and i know he's not so much doing a you

1027
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,520
know like a lecture but he's going to be

1028
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,880
doing a special

1029
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,839
uh

1030
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,599
what is it karen he's doing something

1031
00:39:09,910 --> 00:39:07,920
with you right a dinner dinner cocktail

1032
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:09,920
party yeah i mean we usually have our

1033
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:12,880
wednesday night banquet right to know

1034
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,720
the speakers kind of thing so this year

1035
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,119
we were going to have lou um but even

1036
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,320
though we're not going to be able to be

1037
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:19,440
in person we're still going to have a

1038
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,599
cocktail hour and he's still going to be

1039
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,680
let's talk about what he's doing catch

1040
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,359
us up on the most recent things he's

1041
00:39:30,710 --> 00:39:27,680
doing and then open it up to questions

1042
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,720
and answers so uh if you get your ticket

1043
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,480
you can get on the app and ask all these

1044
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:34,079
questions that you've been wanting to

1045
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,200
ask for

1046
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,839
all this time to lou yeah and i know

1047
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:40,640
people have them because he is a former

1048
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,520
intelligence guy he knows how to uh work

1049
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,200
his way around a question but i know

1050
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,920
he's always so open and willing to talk

1051
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:49,680
to people at the congress which is

1052
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,839
awesome you know he i think he shares

1053
00:39:54,470 --> 00:39:53,200
what he can

1054
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:54,480
yeah

1055
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,200
especially now it's great that you know

1056
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:00,480
we now have elizondo unleashed because

1057
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,280
it took a lot of effort to get that i

1058
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,760
think we had one of the very first you

1059
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,319
know interviews at the congress with him

1060
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,560
after everything went down

1061
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,640
and it was so much work to make that

1062
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,280
happen and negotiate that with uh to the

1063
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,839
stars and everybody uh luckily we had a

1064
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:20,000
relationship with them already

1065
00:40:24,790 --> 00:40:22,800
but uh it's nice now that he's kind of

1066
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:24,800
elizondo unleashed he's out there doing

1067
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,079
his own thing and uh he's really

1068
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:30,880
you know embraced this community

1069
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,920
um so it's it's nice yeah and i guess

1070
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,680
he'll probably um update us on what's

1071
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,160
going on with his uh

1072
00:40:41,349 --> 00:40:39,680
his lawsuit i guess you would call the

1073
00:40:43,670 --> 00:40:41,359
lawsuit against uh

1074
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,680
the government about he feels like he he

1075
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,680
was uh his name was kind of dragged

1076
00:40:49,030 --> 00:40:46,880
through the mud

1077
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,040
and it was you know

1078
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,720
that the way they filled was i was

1079
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,960
attacked you know ryan you know you're

1080
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,359
right in the mix of how heated it got

1081
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:58,640
and if you supported elizondo and some

1082
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,640
of those guys or if you just

1083
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,079
and it wasn't i didn't feel i was

1084
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,640
supporting him i felt i was reporting

1085
00:41:09,109 --> 00:41:07,359
and the evidence showed he was who he

1086
00:41:11,510 --> 00:41:09,119
said he was despite what the government

1087
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:11,520
was saying uh or the pentagon was saying

1088
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,800
about him

1089
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,119
he and it and it you know during that

1090
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,200
time he didn't have a lot of people on

1091
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:19,440
the inside to talk to and karen and i

1092
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:20,720
you know karen

1093
00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,560
we made friends with him and his wife

1094
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,040
and and visited occasionally it really

1095
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:26,960
took a toll on him it was really

1096
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:30,560
difficult um you know having kids seeing

1097
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,760
this stuff

1098
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,920
and seeing mainstream media doubting and

1099
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,240
thinking he's lying because the pentagon

1100
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,800
was putting out wrong information and i

1101
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:40,000
don't think they were doing that

1102
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:42,079
innocently so

1103
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:44,800
i think he definitely has a case in uh

1104
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,359
in the public mind if not legally

1105
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,040
that they you know did a lot of damage

1106
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,280
to his reputation and uh and his

1107
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,359
well-being um

1108
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,760
by doing that and i think it was totally

1109
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,200
i don't see any other way to see it

1110
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:59,599
except for retaliation for him sharing

1111
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:00,880
information they didn't want him to

1112
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:03,680
share yeah they would not just none of

1113
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:05,119
this would have come out without lou

1114
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,480
elizondo he decided that this is what he

1115
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,480
wanted to do and because he didn't he

1116
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,920
thought you know there's these things we

1117
00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:13,520
don't know what they are i've talked to

1118
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,720
the navy people they don't know what

1119
00:42:17,990 --> 00:42:15,680
they are

1120
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,000
they out maneuver us and that is

1121
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,640
something that we need to study i mean

1122
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,800
why wouldn't you you know it's just i

1123
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:24,560
think it's just fear we've been so

1124
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,680
afraid of trying to uh

1125
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:29,280
to delve into the subject when they know

1126
00:42:33,270 --> 00:42:31,760
we we are so far behind that we don't

1127
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,280
even know what they're what it is of

1128
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:35,839
course it's probably technology that

1129
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,760
is beyond us but still

1130
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:39,680
we need to know that there is something

1131
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:42,720
out there and so it's all because of lou

1132
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,760
yeah and i would again what i think is

1133
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,200
really good about a lot of the people

1134
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,920
you have speaking this year is these are

1135
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,240
the people who are holding the

1136
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,720
government accountable you know this

1137
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,640
first assessment that they came out with

1138
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,040
with the pentagon it was an assessment

1139
00:43:02,950 --> 00:43:01,359
and you know frankly it let down a lot

1140
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:02,960
of people which i think was to be

1141
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:05,280
expected but you know

1142
00:43:10,309 --> 00:43:07,359
they're not gonna just let this go

1143
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,319
elizondo chris mellon brian bender like

1144
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:13,440
their work in their reporting continues

1145
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:15,440
after that because that's how we got

1146
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,079
what we got were these tenacious

1147
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,240
journalists like ross coldheart like

1148
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:22,000
brian bender uh

1149
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:23,680
you know putting them in the corner and

1150
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,280
saying we're not gonna we're not gonna

1151
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:27,359
let you go that easy so

1152
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,520
yeah and now the congress is tasked with

1153
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,920
they have to start you know they said we

1154
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,560
want more investigations done so

1155
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,240
that's what's supposed to happen

1156
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,319
yeah and you know to your point i think

1157
00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:40,560
what's really exciting about and i think

1158
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,400
as you guys can see you know because a

1159
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,400
lot of people come to me i want to do

1160
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,920
this with the congress i want to do that

1161
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,520
with the congress and i tell them talk

1162
00:43:51,589 --> 00:43:50,079
to karen karen does this karen puts this

1163
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:51,599
together people don't believe me they're

1164
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,480
like no you're still the guy no karen's

1165
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:56,640
a boss karen puts this together she's

1166
00:44:01,829 --> 00:43:58,880
the one who's put together this amazing

1167
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,839
list this year last year year before you

1168
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
know i get to make some suggestions but

1169
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:06,000
i think that my point being that you

1170
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,680
know first of all like as you can see

1171
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,040
karen knows the topic because she's the

1172
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,040
one who puts this together but i think

1173
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,720
what's exciting about this time and

1174
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:14,560
these speakers also is that we're seeing

1175
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,480
kind of this unfurling um this blooming

1176
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,119
going on where you know when i

1177
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,119
interviewed chris melania and this is

1178
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:25,040
why i really feel this story is

1179
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,280
important that i wrote about how these

1180
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,280
intelligence agencies all made this

1181
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:32,160
happen chris mellon had a grand plan he

1182
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,680
couldn't have done it without lou and

1183
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,000
all these other steps coming to fruition

1184
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:38,560
but i felt he really wanted me to

1185
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,119
understand that there was a game plan

1186
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,680
and there were to break those floodgates

1187
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,520
what he needed to do

1188
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:48,000
was to get it official on the record

1189
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,480
what we all as researchers knew that the

1190
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,119
military did take uap seriously and they

1191
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,920
did investigate them so we needed lou to

1192
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:57,920
come out and say this but then he needed

1193
00:45:01,829 --> 00:45:00,720
the government or to kind of take hold

1194
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,839
also and

1195
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,680
lo and behold

1196
00:45:08,950 --> 00:45:06,079
way quicker than they expected the navy

1197
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,960
said okay we gotta fess up we do look at

1198
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:11,520
these things we do take them seriously

1199
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,319
that legally opened up the floodgates

1200
00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:17,760
legally and um kind of mentally also

1201
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,160
in that you know now chris melling could

1202
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:22,560
go to the people he worked with in the

1203
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,960
senate and say look guys

1204
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,520
navy has admitted this now they have

1205
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,240
come forth and said this publicly

1206
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,359
you all now have to do your job as far

1207
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,280
as oversight on this to figure out

1208
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:37,760
what's going on and that kind of

1209
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,520
allowed the legal framework but it also

1210
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:43,680
created another framework and that was

1211
00:45:50,309 --> 00:45:47,359
for all of mainstream mainstream science

1212
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:50,319
and otherwise to now start to tip their

1213
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:53,119
toes into this field and that's what

1214
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:54,960
we're seeing we're seeing more and more

1215
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:57,920
people coming forward abby loeb these

1216
00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:00,880
other phds that we've been talking about

1217
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:02,720
brian bender

1218
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:03,680
you know

1219
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,319
now they're starting to get slowly get

1220
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,640
involved and that's what i think is

1221
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,480
exciting that we're going to continue to

1222
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:13,200
watch is these people get involved and

1223
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,480
start to share

1224
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,400
last year we had kevin knuth i know

1225
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:18,400
you've interviewed him another physicist

1226
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,040
who's i think shared some amazing stuff

1227
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,040
and this is get what's getting really

1228
00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:25,599
exciting is as more of this starts to

1229
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,839
continue to happen and that's what i'm

1230
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,200
really excited about with this

1231
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,359
conference to have these people who have

1232
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,040
been starting to get involved share what

1233
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:34,640
they've they've discovered or what they

1234
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,440
think

1235
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,960
conversation

1236
00:46:42,470 --> 00:46:41,200
within you know the

1237
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:42,480
mainstream

1238
00:46:47,750 --> 00:46:45,520
has opened up so much and i think it is

1239
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,760
making like you said alejandro not only

1240
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,400
congress members or people in government

1241
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,119
but the mainstream scientific community

1242
00:46:58,390 --> 00:46:55,839
more open and willing to talk about this

1243
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,400
which is awesome you know kevin and and

1244
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:00,720
everyone over there at expedition

1245
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:04,079
uh x uapx or you've got the scientific

1246
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:07,680
coalition for uap studies with over 50

1247
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,640
scientists and you know people who are

1248
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:11,680
ready

1249
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:15,359
to say like use us government use us if

1250
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,000
you really want to do science with this

1251
00:47:22,470 --> 00:47:20,160
topic we're here and we're willing to

1252
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,480
work with you so i'd love to see this

1253
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,240
convergence of the scientific community

1254
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:26,800
finally getting involved governmentally

1255
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,160
and um and hey i think that's

1256
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,559
one part of the congress and then you've

1257
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:33,839
got this other part with the

1258
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,480
experiencers and those who have had uh

1259
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,040
paranormal phenomena which is what we

1260
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:41,200
will hopefully get to eventually within

1261
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:43,040
government you know now we're dealing

1262
00:47:45,990 --> 00:47:44,319
with very

1263
00:47:48,549 --> 00:47:46,000
nuts and bolts

1264
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,559
craft being monitored by our military

1265
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:50,240
and that's a huge step that they're

1266
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,400
willing to acknowledge that and as the

1267
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:54,640
years go on all we can hope for is

1268
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:55,680
finally

1269
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,040
abductions will be a part of that

1270
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,079
conversation right encounters you know

1271
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:02,000
this evolution in

1272
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:04,960
acknowledgement i hope at least right

1273
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,000
right yeah i mean there's such a huge um

1274
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:11,839
unknown factor out there

1275
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:14,319
when we went to alien con

1276
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:17,359
in baltimore and in la there was huge

1277
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,280
amounts of numbers of people that came

1278
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,119
that showed up that watched that show

1279
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:22,640
that are into this subject but they're

1280
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:24,640
they're not they've never

1281
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:25,520
voiced

1282
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,040
that this is something that they're

1283
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,960
interested in they came to our table and

1284
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,480
they were like i've never been to

1285
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:31,920
anything like this before i don't even

1286
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,240
tell anybody i watched ancient aliens

1287
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:35,920
well there's a ton of people that are

1288
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:38,240
into this interested in this subject so

1289
00:48:41,430 --> 00:48:39,839
i think you know the people are going to

1290
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,440
push it and they're going to want to

1291
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:44,640
expose yeah yeah and i i i you know what

1292
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:47,520
your comment makes me think of uh is

1293
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:48,400
this

1294
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:50,800
documentary series coming out by dean

1295
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,079
elioto

1296
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,599
we were hoping that he would have an

1297
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,520
episode ready for the conference but

1298
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:58,480
he's not yet but uh you know he's

1299
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:00,880
working on something that is right up

1300
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,640
the alley of what you're talking about

1301
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,359
it's the evolution of okay we're talking

1302
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,280
about all of these topics but what about

1303
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:10,079
this stuff going on and he just

1304
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,680
brilliantly

1305
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,520
excellently

1306
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,440
brings people

1307
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:16,400
there

1308
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:19,440
uh in a very credible way and i can't

1309
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:20,880
wait for people to see it because it's

1310
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,440
just incredible yeah there's no reason

1311
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,160
to get that conversation going yeah

1312
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,319
exactly um well

1313
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,200
you did mention dean let's talk about uh

1314
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:32,880
the film festival if you don't mind

1315
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:35,440
karen um i i know submissions are still

1316
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:42,150
bring them in send them you can go to

1317
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,280
the website www.ufo

1318
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,599
go to the um film festival tab at the

1319
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:50,240
top of the page and in the directions

1320
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,920
and where to send your films and how to

1321
00:49:55,670 --> 00:49:53,920
do that right there on that page so

1322
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:55,680
we're still accepting submissions so if

1323
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:59,040
you have any um send them in and also

1324
00:50:02,910 --> 00:50:00,240
that's also where you would get your

1325
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,920
tickets um

1326
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:05,040
www.ufocongress.com you can buy a ticket

1327
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,720
to the conference you can also buy your

1328
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:08,400
virtual booth ticket there if you're a

1329
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:12,559
vendor um and you want to get your uh

1330
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,160
you want to get your booth up there did

1331
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:16,079
i show that already the exhibitor yeah i

1332
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:17,920
think i did yeah yeah yeah we'll be on

1333
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,319
there if you get a booth you'll be on

1334
00:50:23,589 --> 00:50:21,760
our website and you'll also be up there

1335
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,599
for six months so it's six months of

1336
00:50:27,109 --> 00:50:25,599
advertising basically and that's just a

1337
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:27,119
million dollars so

1338
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:28,400
and i don't want to have that we are

1339
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:29,680
going to have some panels we're going to

1340
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:31,200
have an experience or panel like we

1341
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,400
usually do

1342
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:34,400
um so that'll have the experiences on

1343
00:50:38,470 --> 00:50:36,000
there we're also going to have

1344
00:50:40,630 --> 00:50:38,480
um like you said ben and mark talking

1345
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,640
about their new show we're going to have

1346
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:42,079
the debrief

1347
00:50:47,510 --> 00:50:45,760
guys that's tim mcmillan mj banayas and

1348
00:50:49,430 --> 00:50:47,520
micah hanks they're going to have a

1349
00:50:52,549 --> 00:50:49,440
panel and update us on what they've been

1350
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,559
uncovering they they have a website and

1351
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:55,280
they have all sorts of different um

1352
00:51:01,829 --> 00:50:58,880
articles about space and ufos so you'll

1353
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,839
be want to catch that and there was

1354
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,280
another one

1355
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,359
well there's gonna be more panels so we

1356
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,800
like to combine all the people the

1357
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,319
speakers together in different ways to

1358
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,400
come up with really neat panels and have

1359
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:12,240
people interact with each other yeah

1360
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:14,079
it's like the all-stars i love those

1361
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,000
panels they can get heated sometimes

1362
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,160
which is what you want though nothing

1363
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:20,160
like what you want

1364
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,750
that's my goal is to bring up the

1365
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,920
controversial topics hopefully in a way

1366
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:32,160
that we could talk civilly about these

1367
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:35,040
things but you know to talk about hey

1368
00:51:39,190 --> 00:51:36,480
you believe this

1369
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:39,200
and you believe that and as people that

1370
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:40,000
are

1371
00:51:46,470 --> 00:51:44,480
topic let's talk about that why do you

1372
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,480
believe something differently and and

1373
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,400
where is the common ground and there

1374
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:51,200
often is common ground and uh i think

1375
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:53,119
that's fun and it makes it you know more

1376
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,079
of a cohesive kind of community uh i

1377
00:51:59,510 --> 00:51:57,839
think when we can start to do this

1378
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,520
because you that's what kind of creates

1379
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,240
bonds when you're on stage and you have

1380
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:04,240
an experience especially at experience

1381
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:04,960
that

1382
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,079
emotes some emotion you know then you're

1383
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,920
like wow you know we've we've really

1384
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,480
shared an experience together so

1385
00:52:16,790 --> 00:52:14,800
um yeah that is a lot of fun

1386
00:52:18,790 --> 00:52:16,800
absolutely and some of my greatest

1387
00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,800
memories have always come from the

1388
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,400
congress and some of the

1389
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:22,240
some of the um you know the most

1390
00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:23,599
enlightening

1391
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,000
uh information i've learned in this

1392
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,480
field has come from the congress so i

1393
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,440
can't wait for it i i wish i could be

1394
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,839
backstage with you guys but i will be

1395
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:36,160
backstage in spirit and i will

1396
00:52:41,589 --> 00:52:38,720
definitely be attending but uh one more

1397
00:52:43,589 --> 00:52:41,599
time uh can you guys give us the website

1398
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:43,599
and uh yeah any last words you want to

1399
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:45,680
get before we wrap things up

1400
00:52:50,950 --> 00:52:48,480
i just wanted to say that 10 years ago

1401
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,960
at the 2011 ufo conference was my first

1402
00:52:53,510 --> 00:52:52,319
conference ever and i didn't know a

1403
00:52:55,510 --> 00:52:53,520
single soul

1404
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,520
so you can see where how my evolution

1405
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,640
went wow nothing very uh

1406
00:53:00,950 --> 00:53:00,079
i'll have to share that story someday

1407
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,960
but there's a lot of these

1408
00:53:05,670 --> 00:53:02,319
synchronicities and these things that

1409
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,680
just happened that got me to this place

1410
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:07,520
i don't know why but it happened so it's

1411
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,920
kind of i feel like i was meant to to be

1412
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:11,599
here and to do this and present this

1413
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:13,040
information to people

1414
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,520
um i want to make a comment and then i

1415
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,440
want karen to wrap it up because karen

1416
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,359
should can share all that where to go

1417
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:21,119
and everything and put the last word in

1418
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,920
there

1419
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,240
but because she's worked so hard on

1420
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,000
making all of this happen

1421
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,599
uh but

1422
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,960
you know what's great about the

1423
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:31,680
conference uh and i think you know to

1424
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,200
remind people

1425
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,359
is that the congress and i think you

1426
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,000
know uh you can agree ryan

1427
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:39,839
it's always been kind of a pacesetter

1428
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:41,920
for the year what the topics are going

1429
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:43,200
to be what people are going to be

1430
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:44,880
talking about because we do bring them

1431
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,559
in we try to get them to talk about

1432
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,240
their most exciting stuff and get those

1433
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:50,720
controversies going but to discuss in a

1434
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,240
more um you know civil manner and also

1435
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,920
to bring people who you may not have

1436
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,920
heard of but have great information to

1437
00:54:03,030 --> 00:54:00,240
share like we've gone over some of these

1438
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:03,040
people so it definitely is a community

1439
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,760
thing it is a community feel so some

1440
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,040
people think oh you have to be there

1441
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:09,280
physically not necessarily when you're

1442
00:54:13,349 --> 00:54:11,200
getting there together the excitement's

1443
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,359
there the excitements in the chat rooms

1444
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,640
and everything

1445
00:54:18,470 --> 00:54:16,559
so i just implore people to join us

1446
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,480
because it is a lot of fun when people

1447
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:21,040
are real time and you can attest to this

1448
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,720
too ryan you know doing these live

1449
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,400
streams and everything there's something

1450
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,240
to it it's exciting when something's

1451
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
live and you're there live and you can

1452
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,240
ask your questions real time and

1453
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:32,640
interact real time so you know i hope

1454
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:35,200
people uh do join us

1455
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,119
it's totally worth it and it'll be a lot

1456
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,760
of fun yeah and i should add this was my

1457
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,240
first conference i ever spoke at you

1458
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:44,720
guys gave me a chance and i was a nobody

1459
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,960
i didn't you know i had i had my book

1460
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:49,040
out and

1461
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,920
you know

1462
00:54:55,430 --> 00:54:53,280
already a bad mofo and i had no doubt

1463
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,440
you were gonna be awesome and you were

1464
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,760
well thank you it was you guys really

1465
00:55:02,549 --> 00:54:59,839
gave me my start i like i said i worked

1466
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,559
backstage for five years and i finally

1467
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,520
somehow tumbled onto the stage and uh i

1468
00:55:10,470 --> 00:55:07,599
have to thank you for that but yes karen

1469
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,480
please uh give us all of the details one

1470
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:12,319
more time and any last words you'd like

1471
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:14,480
to get okay one more time so that you

1472
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,920
buy the full conference and that

1473
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,680
includes exhibitor halls experience your

1474
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:20,079
groups we forgot to mention that yvonne

1475
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:22,960
and kathleen and we'll be

1476
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:24,559
hosting the experiencer groups where you

1477
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,280
can

1478
00:55:29,190 --> 00:55:28,000
check into the room um and just like a

1479
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:29,200
regular experience or group you talk

1480
00:55:33,510 --> 00:55:30,799
about your experiences other people talk

1481
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,520
about theirs you listen um we're gonna

1482
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,359
have those we have the film festival

1483
00:55:38,549 --> 00:55:37,680
we're gonna have the meetups

1484
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,559
the

1485
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:40,559
awards ceremony all that stuff just like

1486
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:43,359
normal and you can get that all for 119

1487
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,400
at www.ufocongress.com

1488
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:48,559
and i'm working on it right now but you

1489
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:49,839
can also buy

1490
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,359
individual sessions so if you only want

1491
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:53,200
to buy one or two here and there you're

1492
00:55:56,710 --> 00:55:55,359
gonna be able to do that too as well so

1493
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:56,720
if you've been to the site and there was

1494
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:58,799
only one ticket go back later and

1495
00:56:01,589 --> 00:56:00,319
there's gonna be the different sessions

1496
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:01,599
that you can buy so you don't have to

1497
00:56:06,630 --> 00:56:03,920
buy the full thing if you don't want to

1498
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,640
so that'll be up for you and uh

1499
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,240
very shortly and there's just a two

1500
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,000
weeks to the conference so

1501
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,079
don't wait because as soon as i send out

1502
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,160
the invite code you'll be able to log on

1503
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:16,079
to huba and start investigating things

1504
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:17,359
and setting up

1505
00:56:22,710 --> 00:56:19,760
chat rooms and answering questions and

1506
00:56:24,870 --> 00:56:22,720
getting those points for prizes so

1507
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:24,880
i love it

1508
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:28,000
awesome well again i know i will be

1509
00:56:32,390 --> 00:56:30,240
there i know a lot of other people will

1510
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:32,400
be there um i'm so happy to hear the

1511
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,240
debrief is going to be a part of it as

1512
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:36,960
well you guys have built a community

1513
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,400
that is so

1514
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:40,319
um just welcoming

1515
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:42,880
and uh open-minded and that's what we

1516
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,520
need in this field always so once again

1517
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,319
i will see you at the congress please go

1518
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,799
get your tickets guys that is a steal if

1519
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:52,640
you've been to any of these conferences

1520
00:56:58,789 --> 00:56:55,359
this is the biggest one in north america

1521
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:58,799
and it is by far the best so alejandro

1522
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:00,960
karen thank you so much for joining me

1523
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,040
once again somewhere in the skies thank

1524
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:05,200
you thank you so much always great to

1525
00:57:47,570 --> 00:57:42,390
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